スウエーデンの面白いものたち


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COMMENTS ON FUKUSHIMA 2

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by Rainman
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:45
#1138703

Dammit now I have to shitcan the fresh red snapper I bought today. I knew it was too cheap.

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by Reptil
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:00
#1138979

Nah.. right now it's still fairly localised (sea currents near the shore etc.)

Wait a month or two (when all the young fish and scallops etc. hatch), then it'll be EVERYWHERE. And this, like the oil&corexit&dioxines will not be limited to the northern hemisphere.

The japanese obviously have the possibillity to move and store that (they said lightly) radioactive water onland, don't they? They have chemical storage tanks, transport is possible with barges. Or a giant pipeline through the contaminated area. But that'd be admitting "defeat against the nuclear genie".

Please note it's all cumulative. Once that DNA is damaged.....

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by Sutton
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:45
#1138704

If India finds your food dirty, that's as low as you can go.

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by Thorlyx
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:48
#1138715

+1

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by tallen
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:46
#1138708

What a great success nuclear power is. Basically nuclear power is like having 50 serial killers running in hamster wheels in your house. No one notices when times are good, but if they break out, unimaginable hell breaks loose.

Nuclear needs just as much funding as solar. It's a ridiculous joke this many nuclear power plants are being built rather than solar. Nuclear power plants take decades to come online, so need huge loans over massive time periods. Solar is up straight away and costs have been decreasing quickly.

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by vast-dom
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:47
#1138713

please compare nuclear output to solar output over physical space.



solar conversion rates per panel too low, softening prices notwithstanding. Need a few leaps of tech to get solar viable on largescale. Sorry Beale.

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by cossack55
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:52
#1138742

To the best of my knowledge, solar does not have the ability to wipe out the planet. Throw away the hair dryer? OK.

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by tallen
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:56
#1138752

I reccomend you read this from a guy who gave me a lecture earlier in the year

http://www.r-e-a.net/document-library/events/rea-events-2009/re-tariffs-...



There's lots of preconcieved notions about solar power and it's inability to provide enough power. (If all roofs in the UK were covered with solar panel we'd have over 110% of the power needed for the whole country, that's only one renewable resource) The price of PV is decreasing rapidly and it's almost at the point where it makes sense financially to install them on your home. It's NOT financially viable to build nuclear plants, which prices are increasing dramatically, new safety measures and massive concrete containment vessels. Plus factor the discount rate into a 25yr period.



If oil continues to skyrocket, consumers will buy solar panels for their house. Maybe solar loans, it makes sense. Nuclear makes no sense, decomissioning costs etc. How can companies like EDF afford to build massive new power plants, their primary objective is profit, not safety.

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by Abitdodgie
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:12
#1138829

This would amount to letting everyone have free energy, (not reliant on utility's). As everyone knows you cannot control the masses when they have free energy,so solar will not happen .

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by cossack55
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:21
#1138857

He's got a good point folks.

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by Rusty Shorts
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:46
#1138924

They will start metering the Sunshine

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by Mentaliusanything
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 19:05
#1138990

They have through Carbon tax/trading.

Its a tax on life.

The radiation issue is just taxing lifespans

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by Global Hunter
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:55
#1138762

Hey looks like the global economy is blowing up so we won't need nearly as much energy for a while. Give us a few years to come up with some more efficient ways to do things.

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by samsara
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:25
#1138879

The real enticement for Nuclear is that it is Centrally Controlled, Centrally Managed, Individually Metered.

Notice how there is NEVER any Supportive talk or Goverment Money about Individuals producing their OWN energy?

Notice no real MSM pushed Memes about people generating their OWN power(PV, MicroHydro, Wind, etc).

Centrally OWNED and Controlled are the important parameters.

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by uno2well
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:33
#1138901

Yes, lets. Solar panels can be put on your roof and provide power to your home without the need for transmission lines, Nukes? NO! Loads-o-empty roofs out there.

And while we're at it, why don't we use solar shingles instead of the oil-based ones now? This is but one example and I have no stake in this company (not yet at least) : http://www.uni-solar.com/products/residential-products/powershingle/

That said, my neighbour installed some thin film panels, a solar water heater, has a geothermal system providing ambient heat/cooling and a small wind turbine pumping power into a 5KW VRB battery http://www.pdenergy.com/index.html (purchased when it was a Vancouver-based company, not a Chinese one) that's tied to the grid. He gets paid by the utility company and says when the Tesla Model S hits the streets he's going to be one of the first customers. Freedom, true freedom.

If we factored in the cost of obtaining the things that give us power, the true cost (like fighting wars in various shitholes around the world or of the pollution from burning coal etc. etc. blah blah blah, and subsequent healthcare costs, then alternatives like solar, wind and geothermal are equal to, or cheaper than, anything out there.

Unfortunately, that would give too much power to the little people and TPTB can't have that now can they. Power to the people is just that, power BY the people.

Sorry Vast, but I'd rather see 50,000 wind turbines than 1 nuke plant.







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by Thorlyx
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:47
#1138712

Who in his right mind would eat "young sand lance" anyway ?

Don't eat it, problem solved.

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by akak
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:43
#1138920

A sexually deviant older sand lance?

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by akak
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:51
#1138936

(Another fucking double post due to ZH e-hiccup)

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by magpie
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49
#1138718

Nothing that a ministerial photo op with actor-fishermen and a mouthful of "recently caught" sushi can't solve.

Seriously catch everything fast, 2 of each species Tuna, sea cucumbers and a ton of seaweed etc.before those species get irradiated completely.

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by DoChenRollingBearing
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:47
#1138719

Poor Japan. They look doomed.

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by Thorlyx
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49
#1138726

Poor us. We look fucked.

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by EscapeKey
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:50
#1138720



Also on BI. I personally am looking fw to 3-eyes Simpsons fish.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-radioactive-fish-2011-4

A fish was caught on Friday midway between Fukushima and Tokyo that contained dangerously high levels of radioactive iodine and high levels of cesium.



This catch has prompted Japan to announce its first legal limits for radiation in fish, according to the AP. Previously Japan had said it was enough to ban fishing in the near proximity of the nuclear plant.

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by LostWages
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:57
#1138753

The UN is scheduled to meet in an emergency session to implement a no-swim zone for the fish located near the troubled reactor in Japan.

An unnamed source stated bombing the fish was one option being considered.

Details to follow.

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by joshbot
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49
#1138721

I was listening to NPR this morning talking about how the issue was overblown. Out of nowhere the host said "boy the price on their fish will skyrocket back up as soon as people realize the fish is safe to eat." She said it like it was a done deal. Thanks NPR for setting the record straight.

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by FIAT_FixItAgainTony
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:47
#1138927

i always thought npr stood for "never possible reality". seems to be correct.

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by Sad Sufi
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:49
#1138722

Hate that "excess radiation."

Comfortable with normal radiation in fish.

Flashback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_6nLp7C-U

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by Theta_Burn
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:51
#1138730

Could there be some blessing here?

the tuna fishery was under incredible overfishing strain, maybe a reprieve for the species?

....unless they all end up sterile.

Disclosure was long the out-of-control roll and Sapporo last night. P

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by bbq on whitehou...
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:56
#1138757

Insane more then 20 bequerels per kilogram can lead to cancer. If my fishmoger passes on to me 2,000 ill burn his house to the ground.

But then Iceland is so far the place to get your fish. Any west coast or pacific fish is for now and ever off limits.

These people who set these standards better stay far away from me. Polite society has its limits and cancer is that limit.

For the next six mouths its alantic only. After that it might be none.





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by cossack55
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:22
#1138865

Iceland is a great place for fish and the best place for how to treat banksters.

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by DoChenRollingBearing
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:50
#1138937

+ 55 volcanos.

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by FIAT_FixItAgainTony
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:51
#1138947

correct on both counts cossack. you move up a rank! just don't expect a pay increase!

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by Thorlyx
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:56
#1138765

Isn't it afterall a fair revenge that the fish is now able to kill the fishermen ?

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by FIAT_FixItAgainTony
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:54
#1138954

in a strange twist of events that appears to be true. however the fish may not be able to reproduce.

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by Sudden Debt
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 17:59
#1138773

Japanese Sushi... MELTS ON YOUR TONGUE!

or is your tongue that melts...

I always mix that one up...



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by bebopgun
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:01
#1138778

This should allow for Japan's fisheries to repopulate.

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by Veekay23
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:01
#1138780

Indians don´t appreciate Japanese anyway....

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by raya123
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:01
#1138790

I would actually expect sushi prices to plummit due to lack of demand.

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by Jim in MN
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:05
#1138804

The government will make further efforts to provide sufficient information to other countries through diplomatic channels regarding its efforts to contain the leak of radioactive substances from the plant, the top government spokesman added.


Great! That means we can get it from wikileaks in...oh wait aren't they Guantanamo'ed? Shit. Guess the public can piss off again.

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by magpie
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:12
#1138831

Sure, right after every daily scheduled dump of cooling liquids in Fukushima the "all clear" is sounded.

100 % credibility restored.

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by falak pema
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:06
#1138808

I wonder if we will soon see king size whales flying like zeppelins with eight eyes and twenty five fins. Like a 747 cruising on transatlantic atomic fueled propulsion. No lights required the skin sparkles in the sky like a thousand light bulbs. We would have inadvertently stepped changed into a new age of flying fishy mutant hybrids where we would be the two legged dinosaurs of old....heading towards... the exit.

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by InconvenientCou...
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:13
#1138832

you're hired!

Please report for work with your dosimeter as soon as the LSD wears off.

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by Biggvs
on Tue, 04/05/2011 - 18:09
#1138811

Off topic: Tut tut, banker boyz - your MSM lackeys are getting a little sloppy with their headlines. Wouldn't want any dear readers to get the impression of market manipulation, no no.

"US stocks finish fixed after poor ISM report"

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/130914/20110406/us-stocks-finish-fixed-a...
by nyfiken | 2011-04-06 08:43