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Comments on cancelling NY marathon in USA.NYT

Nyfiken;
From NYT.
This sunday's NY marathon is finally canselled. There are various opinions.
What do you think about? I am sorry for runners, but in this emergency time, it can not be carried from the point of humanitarian view.Here some of them from NYT.If you are intereted in more, pls subscribe NYT on line.
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Kevin
Brooklyn, NY
NYT Pick
How come everyone is jumping on the marathon bashing bandwagon, but not a word is said about the Giant's game on Sunday? Jersey was hit harder and a large police contingent is required.
The marathon passes through some of the least affected areas of NYC (Bay Ridge, Park Slope, Ft. Green, Bushwick, Williamsburg, LIC, Midtown, Upper East, South Bronx, Upper West) on main boulevards that are already clear. If the marathon would get the trains running or power on for anyone, I would say cancel it, but that is simply not the case. What we need is to get back to normal, for some of us that means watching the marathon on Sunday.

Nov. 2, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.
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TX 1957
Houston, TX


NYT Pick
I live in Houston. After Hurricane Ike, almost all of our city and metro area lost power. Few neighborhoods here have buried power lines. Almost everyone I know had no electricity for an average of 10 days, some as long as 3 weeks. From the reports I'm reading, your officials are being too optimistic about when power will return to all residences. Better to know what you are in for and be able to plan accordingly. It is hard and miserable. Keep slogging through day by day. That's all anyone can do. May your fortunes improve as soon as possible.

Nov. 2, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
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Tom
Pittsburgh


NYT Pick

Maybe all the people who signed up for the marathon should volunteer in the cleanup. Also the Steelers should stay home.

Nov. 2, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
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Realist
NY, NY


NYT Pick

I remember being down in New Orleans doing relief work post-Katrina. Although it was a whole five months after the storm, some people thought that it would be wise to cancel Mardi Gras celebrations. Not only were they not cancelled, but the entire city shut down to celebrate and take a deep breath. It was necessary for the psyche of the city.
I suspect it is the same here. Let's remember that in a city of 8 million, it is actually a fairly small number of people who have lost their homes and/or loved ones. This is not to belittle their pain and loss, but the Con-Ed workers trying to restore power to lower Manhattan have nothing to do with the marathon regardless of whether it is being run or not. Yes, some resources are being diverted, but I think that this is also a perfect opportunity for the city to raise funds and more importantly show the world (and themselves) that we can and will pick and dust ourselves off quicker than anyone can imagine.
NYC is a dynamic city; we can put on the marathon and clean up after the storm. This does not have to be an either or proposition.

Nov. 2, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
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tfagin
Portland, Oregon
NYT Pick

As a former NYRR Club race volunteer, I think it's totally appropriate for all the hard working volunteers that are signed up to work the Marathon, to email the NYRR Club, tell them that they'll miss the event due to more pressing matters, and spend the day helping others instead.

Which begs the question: Will the race even have enough volunteers available as it is? Haven't many of them been severely affected by Sandy too?

Nov. 2, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
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T
NYC
NYT Pick
It's a hard issue and people should understand both sides. One concern I have is that having the Marathon might give the impression that things are much better than they are. There are people now who haven't had power (and might not even be aware of the marathon) or worse, for five days. The people out there who are running out of food, have had no contact with emergency personal, and have no updates in terms of vital information need help -now-. They certainly are going to wonder why so many resources will be used for a race.

Nov. 2, 2012 at 8:00 p.m.
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T
NYC
NYT Pick
I don't think this is about people "handling the cleanup themselves". It's about elderly people in high rises who may have no contact with others for 5 days and need help (for example). It's about having access to fuel and public transportation and repairing infrastructure for millions of people. People -are- being proactive and productive where possible, but I feel that your statement underestimates the amount of damage done. I also have to say that "discomfort" isn't really an appropriate word to use for those who have lost their homes/lives/everything.

In reply to Paul
Nov. 2, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.
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Lori
New York
NYT Pick
I keep wondering why we have to "show the world" anything? Can't we just handle what we need to? NYers seem to be doing well, its just that there's a lot of clean up. And we don't need to "show ourselves" either. We are doing it.
Further, many of us maybe didn't lose our homes, but we lost money at work, or had no power, water, etc. I really don't think that the marathon (which is not mostly NYers anyway, its about 25%) "shows" much. Perhaps pulling together and helping each other "shows" more. I think you are minimizing this.

In reply to Realist
Nov. 2, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
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Kiki
Brooklyn, NY
NYT Pick
There is a world of difference between five months (or even weeks) after a devastating storm and 5 DAYS after. The resources being diverted are necessary for people who are without food, water, and in some cases shelter. Some of those people are being displaced by the marathoners coming in. If you don't live in the areas currently affected (and it's more than lower Manhattan), you have no idea how bad it is. It's bad. Very bad. Postponing the race would be a much better solution if the city still wants money AND wants to do right by the residents who are in dire straights right now.

In reply to Realist
Nov. 2, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
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jzzy55
New England


NYT Pick

My mother lives in a large apartment complex in the affected zone in lower Manhattan. Her building has no power, no hot water and at times, no cold water. The building management website for her complex clearly states that power will not be on in most buildings until Sunday at the earliest and possibly later if her building is one of those with a flooded basement. The flooding ruined/damaged large electrical equipment that powers elevators, etc. Mr Bloomberg is trying to be positive but instead he is misleading.

This complex is very large, with two sections. It houses over 25,000 people. This aint over yet by a long shot.

In reply to TX 1957
Nov. 2, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
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Lisa
Staten Island


NYT Pick


People lost everything and our 1st responders need to be helping them. Not waiting on the sidelines of a Marathon. And Staten Island is devastated and needs supplies. How the hell are we going to get supplies if the Bridge is Closed To all the people that say it is foolish to postpone the Marathon Please read below: Please tell me where are we going to put the tens of thousand runners? They don't fly in and out the same day! The Hotels, food and Gas should be saved for all of our families who lost everything! The traffic that it will bring into Staten Island will hinder rescue efforts. 1st responders are still pulling bodies from houses right next to the place where the Marathon kicks off!! Yes they will donate some money to those affected by Hurricane Sandy but what about the recources they will use ? What about the closure of the bridge? What about the thousands of cops and medics that have to be on standby? The street closures? The Sanitation that has to clean up after them? Don't you think those resources will be better directed helping the parents who are still looking for their children and vice versa? Do you think that a bunch of people jogging through the 5 boroughs will drown out the sorrow of lost ones they have? Please tell me How this is Foolish. Foolish is taking the 1st responders away from people finding their loved one to wait around for someone to pass out from dehydration.

Nov. 2, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.
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Michael Grattan
Key West, Fla.
NYT Pick
I have lived in the Florida Keys for over 20 years and have gone through several hurricanes. I know the frustration of waiting. Waiting for the power to come back on. Waiting for gas in a line at the pumps. Waiting for the water to be declared drinkable. Waiting for roads to be cleared. Waiting for the inevitable mountains of debris to be cleared away.

There are no words adequate enough to describe how huge the task of cleaning up and trying to get back to normal is. At least most people will get there, some never will, having lost their homes, their business, or worse, loved ones. It will take an enormous amount of effort, sweat, money and time; months or years of time.

Recovery and rebuilding will require a lot of teamwork and patience and yes people will snap and reach their limits. But, at times like this, people do pull together and, over time, do more than just survive, they excel.

Nietzsche was right, "That which does not kill us makes us stronger."

Nov. 2, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
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metalhead
Long Island NYT Pick

I am the guy my neighbors call the right wing survivorlist nutjob down the street . The guy with the Romney sign on my front lawn, My family has plenty of food and water right now and we have plenty of batteries I have internet access and limited power. We are just fine thank you! Who is the nut job now you fools!

Nov. 2, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
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anne
Washington, DC
NYT Pick

@Susan: I agree about the generators, of course.
As someone who grew up in NYC and spent another 12 years as an adult, living alone in Manhattan, I relate primarily to the housing problem. Many commenters have written that they are temporarily located in hotels, and that they will have to vacate their rooms (and become essentially homeless) because the marathon participants from elsewhere have booked these rooms long in advance. While I am sympathetic to the spirit of Mayor Bloomberg in wanting to show that NYC can rise above adversity and hold the marathon as scheduled, I more strongly relate to the people who are going to be kicked out of their hotel rooms so that visitors can stay there to participate in the marathon. I think that New York's first priority is to take care of its own people.

In reply to Susan
Nov. 2, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
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Viseguy
NYC
NYT Pick

Your list of neighborhoods does not include Staten Island. My wife and I had to evacuate to Brooklyn from our apartment on the Staten Island waterfront. If power is restored over the weekend (as we are informed may happen), we are facing the possibility that our return may be delayed because of the closure of the Verrazano bridge due to the marathon. There is no doubt in my mind that many, many suffering Staten Islanders will experience additional hardship due to the closure of the bridge, however brief. We would like to get back to normal, too.

In reply to Kevin
Nov. 2, 2012 at 10:16 p.m.
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Jean Nicolazzo
Providence RI


NYT Pick
Well, that's compassion! Do really think people aren't helping themselves and their neighbors? Do you think they should be going door to door looking for casualties themselves? I think you've never been to NYC if you think they're a bunch of "weak kneed gutless victims". New Yorkers are resilient and tough.

In reply to TJ Martin
Nov. 2, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.
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JT
Los Angeles, CA
NYT Pick
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I am from Charleston, SC and experienced the full effects of Hurricane Hugo - a Category 4 hurricane - in 1989. We had no power and water for a couple weeks and was out of a permanent home for 14 months.
To hear this level of complaints a mere 4 days after a hurricane is ludicrous to me, especially in such a densely populated zone and atypical location for such a storm.
Have a little patience; it will take a long time to recover.

Nov. 3, 2012 at 1:22 a.m.
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by nyfiken | 2012-11-05 17:10